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Post by Elix on Mar 7, 2006 17:18:10 GMT -5
Elix: There is no free-will in Christianity; they say there is, but 'gods plan' indicates fate. Fate means that everything we can and will do has already been pre-determined and thus, we are helpless to prevent them from occurring. Sooooo, 'god' already has already planned for me to be a bisexual atheist who thinks his followers are full of magic horse shit (edit: And I never once condoned the murdering of children...I was just posing a hypothetical to challenge her beliefs) I accept your hypothetical challege But I will defend this using the ideals of Christiananity because this is the table you are playing on... Yes, God has a plan, he knows exactly what is supposed to happen to each and every one of us. Yes we do determine our own fate... bad shot happens to good people. We have the free will to make our choices, and God knows what choice that wll be, and he sends his angels to you to try and move you in the direction he wants you to go. So no, God didn't "plan" an making you a bisexual atheist, but he knew this would be the path you would choose. So he sends people your way to try and explain His way and how you can be saved. Mind you, the zealots that persue you are not sent by Him, but that simple person that says, "so why don't you believe" and doesn't argue or does he try and convert you. That one person that you have or will meet that is really a genuinely a nice person who really believes in the word of God and is there to honestly help you and answer the questions that you have... that is the person that God sends. That is your away to abandon your path and chose a new one. Before you argue... I said this is based of off the Christian ideal. You are referring to the Christian God and how you perceive Him, I am rebuddeling with they ways and whys Christians do things... see I am married to one and was raised in a Christian household... there way may be off, they are only Human, but God's intentions are nothing but good.
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Post by Null on Mar 7, 2006 21:14:04 GMT -5
;D Rather than try to debate a system of ideals, I'll shoot for the root. ;D
1) Omnipotence is impossible because God would, at a minimum, be unable to limit his powers, e.g., make a stone he cannot lift; if he could make such a stone, then his inability to lift it would defeat his omnipotence;
2) God's omnipotence conflicts with his omniscience, because if God knows everything that is going to happen in advance, he cannot do anything in the present; he must simply watch the future unfold as previously foreseen, because changing anything would falsify his prior belief concerning the future;
3) God's omnipotence precludes him from having knowledge of any sensations or emotions associated with weakness, e.g., fear, frustration, despair, sickness, etc., and thus conflicts with him omniscience;
4) God's omniscience precludes him from having knowledge of any emotions associated with surprise or anticipation, and thus conflicts with itself;
5) God's omniscience conflicts with his disembodiedness, since a being without a body could not know how to drive, swim, or perform any activity associated with having a body;
6) God's omniscience conflicts with his omnibenevolence, since a morally perfect god could not have knowledge of feelings of hate, lust, or envy, or cruelty, etc.
7) God's omniscience and omnipotence conflict with his omnibenevolence, since a god who could prevent evil would do so unless he were unable to do so or unaware of the evil.
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Post by Elix on Mar 8, 2006 15:54:38 GMT -5
This may so... however remember what I said, I argued from a Christian stand point? If you ask a person a question, you are going to get an answer as that person. Now if you want to take this whether or not God exists or some relgious science, that's a whole 'nother crock of beans that have nothing to do with the original post...
Touche
...Could God make a Burrito so hot that even he himself could not eat?
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Post by Elix on Mar 8, 2006 15:55:09 GMT -5
LOL... do you realize this post has been read 157 times That's awesome!!! Elix
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Post by Null on Mar 9, 2006 1:50:36 GMT -5
Yea, I blame the title... it's a real grabber.
Sooo, off topic or not, do agree with my list or should I continue?
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Post by Elix on Mar 9, 2006 17:50:35 GMT -5
Hell continue!! This thread is rockin" LOL!!!
Oh check your Messgaes, I sent you a private e-mail on this board. At the very top where you can log in, it should read, you have one message...
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Post by metalwitch on Jan 8, 2007 10:02:11 GMT -5
People can only bother YOU if you let them. Try walking away!
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Post by sebastian on Mar 26, 2012 10:31:21 GMT -5
i have read the above and got to say i agree, whenever something happens the bible bashers always come out in force...why is that..dont they have jobs to go to and do? and here is a thought....we all know about the book and the film the da vinci code but what if some of that were true...then surley christianity as we know it is a big con? ?
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