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Jan 22, 2005 19:53:49 GMT -5
Post by Mairi on Jan 22, 2005 19:53:49 GMT -5
Can a donor be turned by feeding from the vampire or is it just a myth? What's your opinion?
Mairi
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Turned
Jan 23, 2005 2:59:34 GMT -5
Post by WingedWolfPsion on Jan 23, 2005 2:59:34 GMT -5
Everything in my experience would result in my saying yes, without hesitation. The reason is that this creates a 2-way psychic link. However, not all persons are equally susceptable to this, nor are all "lines" of vamps equally prone to pass it on. Obviously, if you believe that vampirism is genetic, and accept no other possible explanations, then turning is impossible. The symptoms previously ascribed to turning are exactly the same ones currently ascribed to "awakening". I am far from convinced that they are not the same thing...and I'm not sure I believe in awakening. <G> I've been in the community since around 1990....both offline and online. I've seen a lot, but my opinions are seldom popular....I share them anyhow. I figure people will make up their own minds.
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Turned
Feb 14, 2005 11:40:27 GMT -5
Post by AcaciaPhoenix on Feb 14, 2005 11:40:27 GMT -5
I disagree...I don't think you can become a vampire simply by donating to one.
I've been a donor many times and I don't find myself having to drink blood from anyone.
I can however agree that tere is a bond that is shared between the vampire and the donor. What forms is a trust between the two as well as emotions (not always sexual) There is an understanding that only those two share.
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Turned
Feb 14, 2005 14:37:07 GMT -5
Post by WingedWolfPsion on Feb 14, 2005 14:37:07 GMT -5
Donating is usually just a one-way link, not a two way link. The question specified that the donor was feeding from the vampire, not the other way 'round.
I've heard of people being turned just from donating, but it's rather rare.
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Tessa
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Turned
Feb 15, 2005 3:01:25 GMT -5
Post by Tessa on Feb 15, 2005 3:01:25 GMT -5
I agree with AcaciaPhoenix.
I have been a donor many times. Including with my fiance, and I do not feel the 'need' for blood.
I do not consider myself a vampire, although I do drink blood sometimes in ritual, or from whom I have donated to.
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Turned
Feb 15, 2005 11:03:34 GMT -5
Post by AcaciaPhoenix on Feb 15, 2005 11:03:34 GMT -5
If a Donor feeds from the vampire, they still cannot be turned. That is just a hollywood story. I've partaken blood from the vampire I have donated to. I am not a vampire. There is no proof, first of all that one automatically becomes a vampire just by "wishing it to be" or by drinking a vampires blood.
My theory is that if you are a vampire you are born that way. You can not become one from drinking their blood. Again, I only have my own experiences to go on...I drank a vampire's blood...I have not become a vampire by doing so. Conclusion: Drinking a vampire's blood does not make you into a vampire.
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Turned
Feb 15, 2005 13:51:19 GMT -5
Post by WingedWolfPsion on Feb 15, 2005 13:51:19 GMT -5
Yet others have said that they've been turned this way....are they wrong, because you weren't?
Not all persons can become vampyrs...perhaps you are one of them. Perhaps none of the vamps you took blood from was of one of the lines that spread easily. Some can transmit this very easily, others don't seem to. It's entirely possible for you to have drunk the blood of a dozen vampires, and still be a reality that drinking a vampire's blood may turn a donor.
I know what I've seen and heard, too. I've been to places where the vampire population was WAY too high to be anything on this side of normal, and I heard the explanations as to why. But considering what I've been through, belief isn't an issue for me....either I trust my senses and those of the people around me, or I don't. I don't have to take anything on faith. It makes it a bit difficult sometimes to deal with the community, which seems to feel that the causes of vampirism are a matter of religion or preference.
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Tessa
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Turned
Feb 15, 2005 18:10:28 GMT -5
Post by Tessa on Feb 15, 2005 18:10:28 GMT -5
There is not one *set* way to become a vampire.
As in my fiances case, he knew around the time he was 8 or 9. He has come a long way since, and I will not get into his story here, because its not nesssicary.
He was not bitten, nor did he donate. He just knew. Some people are born this way.
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Turned
Feb 16, 2005 9:43:46 GMT -5
Post by WingedWolfPsion on Feb 16, 2005 9:43:46 GMT -5
You're entirely correct--there IS more than one way to skin a cat as it were. There may indeed be more than one possible cause for the symptoms of sang vampirism.
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Turned
Feb 16, 2005 13:05:35 GMT -5
Post by AcaciaPhoenix on Feb 16, 2005 13:05:35 GMT -5
I understand what you are saying I really do, but no one that I know who has been a donor has ever been "turned" by drinking the blood of a vampire.
Vampirism is not a disease that can be transmitted. If it was...then it would be in science books and medical books not to mention that a person who is a vampire, would be thought of more as a fact than a "lifestyler" or "fictional creature" wouldn't you think?
It's not like rabies that can be transmitted thru a bite of an infected animal. It just doesn't work that way. A vampire is a vampire from the very beginning of their life when they take their very first breath in their mother's arms. Whether or not they are aware of being a vampire that is a different story. Perhaps those that you know who "became" a vampire after drinking of ones blood only became "Awakened" to what they already were but had not realized it? I can understand that logic.
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Turned
Feb 17, 2005 14:07:08 GMT -5
Post by WingedWolfPsion on Feb 17, 2005 14:07:08 GMT -5
Or perhaps the people who think they awakened after drinking a vampire's blood were all turned. It's not the physical act that does it, it's the psychic connection. I HAVE known vamps who were turned that way--I know some who were turned by long-distance psychic feeding, and some who were turned by engaging in a Wiccan-style circle with a vampyr. The problem is, you're stating that all vampires were born that way. I'm stating that not all vampires were born that way, and my proof of this is that _I wasn't_. I wasn't born that way, but I was a sang vamp for over 8 years, and NOW I AM NOT. I was not mistaken, delusional, or pretending to be vampyr. I am not now mistaken, delusional, or pretending NOT to be vampyr. How can I possibly agree that vampires might all have been born that way, if I wasn't? I do my best to refer to theories and possibilities, because it comes down to an issue of trust. People have no reason to believe me. Those who knew me then know what I was, you can't fake that--vampyrs can sense one another. They also know that I don't read that way anymore. Everyone else, all they have is my word on it, for the most part. There are other ways to verify it, but most folks don't seem interested in proving things out that way.
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Turned
Feb 17, 2005 22:28:02 GMT -5
Post by AcaciaPhoenix on Feb 17, 2005 22:28:02 GMT -5
Well then I guess the only answer that I can give since I have not lived in your shoes is that I agree to disagree LOL
I can't assume to know what you have been thru, what you were vs. what you are now. I will say though that I have never heard anything remotely like what you experienced. And I respect that....But on the same token...I know what I have been through and I know others like me who have not been changed into a vampire from feeding from one. I wasn't trying to attack you in any way shape or form. I do apologize for possibly coming across that way. I am only going on what I've seen and experienced as are you. ;D
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Turned
Feb 19, 2005 20:21:34 GMT -5
Post by Obscure Thoughts on Feb 19, 2005 20:21:34 GMT -5
I've been a donor for years to a few close friends, and I've never gotten the urge or need to drain someone, either psychically or through bloodletting. Plus, the only 2-way psychic link I've seen has been between two vamps, or a vamp and some other form of psionic, like an empath or the like. With Nils, I've only seen it go one way. I read on Sangi.org that some donors, if over tapped, will take on vampiric symptoms to get themselves back to normal levels, and they often fade away if the vampire they donate to lets up on them. But other than that, I always just assumed (plus what was told to me by my vamp people) that "turning" someone who wasn't a latent to begin with was nigh on impossible. Not completely impossible, but so close it might as well be. JMO
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Turned
Feb 20, 2005 15:12:30 GMT -5
Post by WingedWolfPsion on Feb 20, 2005 15:12:30 GMT -5
Well, the vast majority of vamps are innate psis.
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Turned
Mar 18, 2005 13:32:46 GMT -5
Post by AcaciaPhoenix on Mar 18, 2005 13:32:46 GMT -5
Again...a generalization...where is the documented proof?
I know a lot of Sanguine Vampires who do not believe in Psi feedings, or who can't grasp the knowledge on how to psi feed. It's foreign to them so I could say in retrospect to you that the majority of Vampires are sanguine....again generalization I have no proof to show. Then there are those vamps who only JUST feed from Psi Energies...My opinion is that it's pretty much all on the same levels. Give or take a few.
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