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Post by AcaciaPhoenix on Mar 3, 2005 10:34:24 GMT -5
Mind I use the term "Weapon" in my first post with regard to the fire that dragons exhale only b/c that is all that I have ever seen it being used as in the movies/tv shows.
I also have another question to those are dragon. Do you feel that we as dragon kin are grossly misjudged by the way that things like movies and books relate to how dragons act and behave? I mean we always here about how those who are vampire feel they are being misrepresented via hollywood....what about dragons? Are they all the mindless eating and fire breathing machines that are shown in films?
Sheesh LOL I sound like a dweeb....
*hugs*
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Post by Darkrank on Mar 11, 2005 11:32:32 GMT -5
Dweeb you would be. What hollywood shows in movies are mainly the Dark Dracos, dragons that have mainly given themselves to the darkness of their hearts. Then there are the ones that just attack when cornered or threatened. I know dragons, and most don't act like that.
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Post by AcaciaPhoenix on Mar 15, 2005 13:52:38 GMT -5
Deewb you would be. What hollywood shows in movies are mainly the Dark Dracos, dragons that have mainly given themselves to the darkness of their hearts. Then there are the ones that just attack when cornered or threatened. I know dragons, and most don't act like that. Perhaps I am a dweeb...but at least I ask questions...so that I may know more about what I am. So you know dragons...that doesn't mean that you are the end all be all expert of them either....you don't know me so you can't make general claims. Those that you may know may not act as a Dark Dracos (a term that I've not ever heard before and seems to sound alot like a D&D term), But again you only know a small few....there are more dragons out there than you may think. You also claim that most dragons that are portrayed in movies are Dark Dracos...I disagree. Draco of Dragonheart was not, nor was Pete's Dragon along with several other movies/shows. I think you need to think before you start generalizing.
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Post by Mairi on Mar 18, 2005 12:46:50 GMT -5
I would suggest that all watch the animal channels program on Dragons. If your interested you can go to this site and read about the evolution of dragons. animal.discovery.com/convergence/dragons/profiles/profiles.htmlAnd I would hope that we could discuss what we learned from this program in an intelligent manner........None of us know everything and those who know little or nothing tend to come off as if they were an authority, And that doesn't make you look smart or win you any friends but rather it makes you look like an ass. So lets keep the discussion on a friendly level and cut out the name calling. Mairi Message Board Moderator
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Post by AcaciaPhoenix on Mar 23, 2005 13:52:03 GMT -5
ok so then put your money where your mouth is and do tell?
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Post by arrwyn on Nov 11, 2005 5:53:21 GMT -5
I have the good fortune of having a tape of the Dragons show. It was phenominal what they did to explain how dragons could possibly have been real! It made it all sound absolutely plausible. I loved it!
Most of what is portrayed of dragons in Hollywood comes from the Arthurian legends, Beowolfe or other Northern European legends of dragons. Most of these sources are tained by the early Christian concept that the 'dragon" is the symbol of paganism, the devil, or the other "evil" practises of the natives that the Christian missionairies found in the northlands. Research into the dragon legends of other parts of the world will prove that MOST dragons are benevolent. In China and Japan the dragon is revered as the bringer of enlightenment. The royal dragon of the Imperium of China is distinguished from "common" dragons in that it has an extra claw, making five, instead of the common dragon's four.This is easily researched in just about any old Chinese painting of dragons. If you see a dragon with five claws it is usually around a great thinker like Confusius or with the emperors. The oriental thought process is a little different than the western way of thinking and their dragons are both good and bad, therefore maintaining the balance of the yin/yang. By the way, anyone who has ever seen the yin/yang portrayed with a dragon and a bird ... That's supposed to be a phoenix (even if it does look like a rooster) and the phoenix is the "evil", yang power! To the ancient either Balanese or Tais "seeing" a dragon is a symbol of prosperity and good fortune, dragons are fortuitous all through South East Asia. This information is easily researched on the internet or in books about the mythologies of South East Asia.
A note to Darkrank ... what everyone is trying to get you to do is back up what you say as I just did. The internet is a great place to find a reference for what you may instinctively know so you don't come off looking like a know-it-all. Just a little patience and some surfing should find what you want to "prove".
I, also, have never heard the term "Dark Dracos" but I suppose it fits in some respects. There is little literature about chaos dragons. What I know about chaos dragons I learned from the astral dragons I "champion". I think I remember that there is something in Japanese mythology about the black dragons being destructive. It's five thirty in the morning and I haven't been to bed at all ... insomnia ...so I'm loosing my references.
Anyway, hope this helps, Acacia.
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Post by Elix on Nov 16, 2005 15:15:14 GMT -5
sorry Acacia, but that really stunk of wizard! Before my back sprouts arrows, let me explain... I have a friend whoes a wizard...a true to heart, by the very definition of the term. He says crap that's all cryptic, and then when called out, "hides in his tower" as I call it... Basically that's what this guy did. Couldn't back up his, I know everything, so he backed away, blaming his actions on something mystical, then pulling himslef from the post. And people wonder why I don't trust wizards... I am not dragon, but I love them. Actually I think Hollywood plays both ends of the coin well. Sorry to do this but I'm going to break it down into RPG terms... You havethe black dragons in Reign of Fire. Black dragons are evil and chaotic, and most coloured dragons are not intelligent. What about Draco? Well he's called a Great Horned Dragon in Rofts I believe. Mottled green and brown, a crown of horns on his head and very intelligent. The Reds in the D&D movie were just fighter/predetor dragons, and the Gold's were intelligent and magick users. Again I am not a dragon so they really have no impact on myself, but I do not find anything that should be offensive. Thoughts from an elf
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Post by Darkrank on Nov 18, 2005 10:02:46 GMT -5
So, be so kind as to make fun of me some more...
No, I just saw my mistake and removed my comment, that is all. I am smart enough to admit I was wrong, so I am hoping your post isn't talking about me THAT much...
I now just need some more time to think, and to find out why I have been having a lot of headaches as of late...
Then I just deleted my old posts from this discussion. Goodbye...
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Post by Masticina Akicta on Nov 26, 2005 14:26:29 GMT -5
Fire dragons, mmm
Fire is a sign for destruction yet also for empowerment. A beast of fire, no matter how small, is something rather..empowering. Our psychi's know about the power of fire and even while we "tamed" it, it stays an wild and unpredictable animal.
So why fire dragons, well dragons tend to be big... to big actually to support itself in the current world. So any dragon in "existance" is powerfull enough to survive in a world..not fit for it. Fire + Dragons... its all about "power"
Fear and Awe,
To bad my knowledge about the draconic brethen is limited. I deal with dragonics at times but that is just part of doing astral stuff...
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Post by AcaciaPhoenix on Dec 28, 2005 11:18:37 GMT -5
But instead of Fire as wild and empowering...couldn't it also be looked upon as a cleansing or rebirth/renewal?
I honestly don't know hence my throwing out ideas.
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Post by Elix on Jan 9, 2006 15:22:50 GMT -5
In the book Guardians of the Flame the dragon Elegon used his firey breath weapon to cleanse his scales and could clean others around him, humans, and not burn them. So I'm sure it is possible rather symbolic or as actual use.
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Post by arrwyn on May 21, 2006 23:28:49 GMT -5
Acacia, I know in the discussion of any of these "mythic" creatures people tend to look down on dungeons and dragons but give it a moment. These books are so thoroughly researched that the pure mythology of what they present is actually rather accurate to the legends of the world. When they start coming to the statistics for game playing is where D&D takes it's liberties. Just because something sounds like it came out of a D&D book doesn't mean it isn't true. Fire, like all the elements has both constructive and destructive properties. Water is the nurturer of all life but anyone who has ever survived a flood can tell you how destructive it can be as well. Even simple rain can crack a twenty ton boulder in half ... given enough time. Earth is the warmth and stability of the world but when it moves it is one of the most destructive forces known to man. I'm not even going to get into air. Hurricaine, nuff said. Spirit, the fifth element has both constructive and destructive values as well. Most of what I know about Chaos dragons, bone dragons red dragons and green gas dragons comes from my experience with astral dragons in the first place. Chaos dragons are NOT destructive. Chaos does not mean destruction it means unformed or unruled ... without disapline. Wildness is without disapline but it is not destructive, it IS chaos but not destructive. Yes there are truly evil dragons. There is a war going on in the dragon realms of which I am aware, it has been going on over seven years now and it will continue for quite some time. Not in Scathnior's queendom, right now, but even there things are not without tension. When the hostilites began we lost 40 breeding queens. Scathnior is the last full queen left to the best of my knowledge and only she and I know where the princessess are. (Princessess being female breeding dragons too young yet to breed) Well the kings who are guarding the princessess know, of course, but many of the princessess are not in the dragon realms but here for their own protection.
Acacia you had mentioned that you thought many dragons were here in human form and that perhaps they were "stuck" and had forgotten they were dragons. That they may be buying into the "story" of 3 dimensional reality to the point where they have forgotten they are dragons I can well believe, but dragons have ALWAYS been shape shifters and they have always had the ability to appear as humanoid. Right now most of the dragons in human flesh are here for their own protection or to escape the war. And humans aren't the only things that could be dragons. I have it on very good authority that cats are another "choice" of dragons.
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