silentknight
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Post by silentknight on Aug 5, 2006 21:15:12 GMT -5
This idea was raised in my first post, when I realized the source of my various stages of uncomfortablility(not quite sure that's a word >.>). But does anyone think it is immoral to feed on others without first telling them what you're doing? Or do you not see a problem with it. And, out of curiosity, is there anyone out there that thinks of the people they feed from as just food?
-R
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Post by swampiebartender on Aug 14, 2006 15:10:59 GMT -5
as a former donor i'm awaiting some answers to this ...sits and waits patiently
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Post by swampiebartender on Aug 14, 2006 15:15:13 GMT -5
my vampire always let me know what he was doing and what was going on at all times.. he was a real gentleman. he informed me about alot of things and i learned alot from him..!
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Post by rosamund on Aug 14, 2006 20:36:34 GMT -5
I think it is best if your donors do know so that they can take proper precautions. I donate and find it often leaves me tired. Also if you are dealing with a Sang situation, obviously your donors are going to know.
I personally do not care for being thought of as food, although I don't mind being compared to medicine (a la it is like insulin for a diabetic, a statement I have made before). I also know that it is common for vamps to think that way.
As far as feeding without permission, it is, as I understand it, quite possible to pull energy from a crowd and use that energy with little to know ill effects there.
Rosa
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Post by swampiebartender on Aug 29, 2006 16:45:17 GMT -5
i asked the vampire that i used to donate psi sexual energy to about this and he said if he got so hard up that he was getting really bad off he would get in his car and quickly go to anywhere there was a crowd like a shopping mall or whatever and take a little energey from this person and a little from that person until he got what he needed rather then take all he needed from one unsuspecting person. i also interviewed another one and he said that his kind gets no value from their feed if the donor is not aware and gives consentand he was talking about any kind of feed.
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Post by Saffyre on Sept 17, 2006 20:47:59 GMT -5
Based on my experience and opinion, most psivamps won't directly feed of one specific person unless that person is aware of the situation. They also believe to do otherwise would not be ethical.
Some psivamps, however, tend to have a different ethical view on feeding than others. For example, personally, I feed of large crowds who are putting off lots of energy, and it doesn't pose a moral delemia with me. However, others (although I've only met a few who hold this belief) don't think this "grazing" is moral.
It really goes to the heart of any particular psivamps personal views as to whether or not they will feed on those who are not aware of their intentions. Generally, however, most psivamps will "ambiently" feed in crowds with out telling the crowd, but will tell their donor if they take more direct means of feeding. AKA psivamp w/ crowd = low ethical delemia; psivamp w/ one donor = higher ethical delemia.
It of course needs to be said that not all psivamps follow this. Some psivamps are predators, and will direct feed or indirect feed malaciously, with no moral concious. Finally, often psivamps will justify even direct feeding as ethical, so long as their methods are not obtrusive (or generall detectable) and so long as they are not taking large amounts of energy from one source.
I believe the Codex explains these moral issues better than I have, but I also think that each and every psivamp needs to come to their one conclusions as to when they feed, to what extent, and who they inform about it. Finally, I think this issue is also covered in both the Black Veil and the Donor's Bill of Rights. (I would post links to these, but I can't seem to find them right now, sorry.)
Hope that helps!
-Saffyre
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Post by swampiebartender on Sept 18, 2006 23:05:38 GMT -5
well i found out why he doesn't use me anymore. at least hasn't in a few months.. he didn't tell me direct as to why but i read something he wrote about the fact that he doesn't use just one for very long...just doesn't want to draine one to much and with some he gets to emotionally involved.
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Post by Saffyre on Sept 19, 2006 0:33:07 GMT -5
You are right... often, psivamps try not to use one donor solely for long periods of time. To do that can cause (from my understanding) damage to the donor.
I always tried to describe it like this: If you had a garden, and lived only on what that garden provided, two things could result. One, your garden wouldn't last very long; two, you would force your garden to overuse its resources (aka make the soil go bad), resulting in nothing growing. So, following the idea behind crop rotations to help keep a field healthy, a psivamp doesn't usually use one donor solely for long periods of time.
-Saffyre
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Post by swampiebartender on Sept 19, 2006 9:21:04 GMT -5
we are pretty good friends now. i just wish he would of told me that part of what was going on. but it's cool. we live in different states and it was phone sex so that he could get the energy off of me....started talking about being his blood donor and i think thats when he figured i wouldn't move to his state to be near him to do that. i would of but i think reality hit him. he already has blood donors so it really wasn't necessary .. like i said, we're pretty good friends now chat occasionally in im if something comes up . he helped me out with my forum i do on other/kin that i do on another board . he was the first other/kin to post there for me so it's all good.
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Post by panthervamp on Jan 16, 2007 17:32:58 GMT -5
Is it moraly wrong, I'm not sure, Personaly when needed I do it. However the less experienced that you are at it, the more carefull you should be about who you do it to. Because to most it does register as an attack, and if they can there will be backlash as they attack you back and usualy drain you to where you have less energy than you had before.
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