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Post by Mairi on May 29, 2005 16:03:01 GMT -5
There is so much written about vampires these days and a little more on therians but so very little on elves. So how much of what is written in books and articles about elves true and how much is something made up?
Mairi
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Post by AlloriaDark on Jun 2, 2005 8:02:21 GMT -5
I'd be interested to hear this too, as well as titles for the work. I've been looking for non fiction books on this subject and have come up with zilch!
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Post by Masticina Akicta on Jun 2, 2005 17:24:06 GMT -5
I dunno, elfes..hell ... when it comes to otherkin vampires are the most written about. Have the most information and the most succesfull communities it seems.
Then again that is not crazy, they came out pretty early, the therians and the other otherkin are slowly taking their place. Within 20 years I am sure the non vampiric otherkin community can be as big as the vampire community, for now... well the vampires have years ahead on work.
Anyhow, I am interrested in the elven... but can find not much about them. Self being a mere vampire and therian have not much sight over the elven etc!
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Post by Elix on Jun 7, 2005 16:10:09 GMT -5
Well here's the deal... one of the problems is that there are so many terms used for our type. Elf is just as general as Fey. Some may disagree, and say that Elf and Fey are completely two different things...I believe this is mainly because they are looking at specifics like Sidhe vs nymph vs Elenari. Just as an example... Like human to homosapien Elf is to fey. See where I am coming from?? Anyway, a lot of cultures intermingle the two. Legends often relate to all little people as elves. Look at the elves and shoe maker for one. Most people would not consider these little creaturs elves, but fey of some sort. In one of the Northern cultures I can't remember if it's Icelandic, Nordic, etc., but they refer to their "dwarves" as elves. They decribe a race of elves that are short and thick and live under the ground and mine iron from the rocks. So you will not find one non-fictional source for elves unless you are looking for a specific kind. Just my 2 cents... Elix
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Post by Elix on Jun 8, 2005 9:57:32 GMT -5
Hey all me again... Did a little reading. Ok all about elves... I am going to assume that we would be referring to the Tolkein D&D looking elves and not the Keebler Santa type correct?? Well Tolkein was a fan of the Finns. Most of their history was written. They have song singers or something like that, where all traditions and stories were taught in song. In 1945 there were 3 left... and I think currently there is one who practices this tradition. The down side is that there is still no written text. Before the Finns come the Lapps, who still exist but as an insignificant minority from Russia up through Finnland, Sweden, and Norwary. They also suffer from severe predjudices from the Danes. Ok, what does all this mean?? The Lapps are believed to be the original elves. The tall, thin, beauties of nature that we read about in fantasy fiction and see in Hollywood. They have their own language and their own traditions. There is not much known about these people. The are separated into groups... like elves.. there are Forrest Lapps, Mountain Lapps, Eastern Lapps, River Lapps, each different in their own community. I have the story once I get all my facts straight. So in order for anyone to find non-fictional references... well I shouldn't say non-fictional because all the references are based on legends and stories of the Lapps, but I would suggest reading up on these people and their history rather than the DM guide if you know what I mean. So I hope this helps a little more. I will post the stroy and some links if that would help. Give me a day or so. Elix
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Post by Masticina Akicta on Jun 8, 2005 17:25:44 GMT -5
Interresting Elix, do post more if you find out more....
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Post by jadey on Jun 25, 2005 1:04:39 GMT -5
My old fae friend would use the term fay fey or fae interchangably with elf elves or elfs... (phonetical fixation sorry) She was an old soul, born with unexplainable insight into the world. I miss the association greatly. She was the first to notice my vampiric traits, before I learned the control I would constanly drain her dangerously low. Then one day she let me have it, told me to accept what I was, and get control of my natural behavior or she wouldn't speak to me again. I did, after she had her daughter I would babysit alot, and that child as I've mentioned was unique among the special. Her language skills were developed very very early, and she mingled 3 languages, english and 2 dead languages that I can't remember the names of, but her mother spoke. So from personal experience, and knowing the detailed family history of this friend, the genetic sources were there, if diluted for both mother and child, child because her father had similar lineage. Red haired Green eyes, tall and lithe like a willow tree. That is what both mother and child were/are. not to mention her 2 of her sisters and their father... Good family, my friends mother though was my 4th cousin, and more vampiric in tendencies, i think that is why the family dynamic worked so well, there was good flow and use of energy... the other sister is vampiric... on the side note of families getting along, this line is completely ignored by the rest of my family, being to "spititual" in a non christian sense for acceptance. She and I met purely by accident, but I attended her wedding as family.
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Post by Elix on Nov 30, 2005 16:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by serpantsister on Mar 7, 2006 1:27:43 GMT -5
I was going too suggest the elenari website and that seems too be the it on elves period. I am working on getting my kin infos about our vampyric elves (don't listen too the blizzard guy..sounds like he's quoting some soul reveaer mess too me..) well anyway my beliefs are mine and are also some others as well. Their FAQ seems too be the most helpful so far, and I am in the midst of getting mine set up as well.
My info will cover the van'mor'ri race in A'larya and I'lleniel, House Structure, Court customs and rites as well as some info about our magicks. Their are caste systems like the Strigoi Vii systems and the so on, and much similarity too them (except for the bloody lifestyle mess..) A description of our men and women, clothing and weapons and training and magickal know how and so much more.
It will be at my ancient's mirror site. It's free, hosted at magickalforest.com, with banner exchange (php) and with no ad's, so I defiantely want too host some kin related things there.
Also it seems if your elven of any type and you claim too be from another realm in your original life then you're a roleplayer and you're fake. That's probally why some elven sites haven't come forward yet.
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Post by Elix on Mar 7, 2006 17:09:49 GMT -5
Also it seems if your elven of any type and you claim too be from another realm in your original life then you're a roleplayer and you're fake. That's probally why some elven sites haven't come forward yet.
That's not really fare. I know a few of elven blood that claim not to be from this place. You mentioned the Elenari in your post, but doesn't that refer to Tokein, The people of the stars or something like that? Wouldn't that also fall into a "fantasy" catagory?
I am very proud to be a role player, I wear my dice bag on my belt without shame, however that does not mean I claim to be from somewhere else, and does not mean I am a fake. Careful on to general of statements. In order to learn about ourselves we need to be open minded to what others say. I have seen the Elenari website, and I have traced back some of the "elves" they described to Norse legends of dwarves. But I don't immediately think because this is a Tolkein term that it holds not water, or those that think they should name their children Arwyn and llive in a tree is any less elven than myself. This is part of the never ending search on what kin are.
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Post by Elix on Mar 14, 2006 17:13:01 GMT -5
No, please ramble... I would actually like to hear about your experiences. Elix
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Post by cathrea on Feb 5, 2007 2:26:46 GMT -5
Oh dear, how do I get away from the Tolkien style Elves when Tolkien used some of my older relatives as models for his Elves... I mean some of the stories he used are in my family's diaries... Grandfather Terceine made me study them when I was a teenager so I'd know the real history.
Do I have to leave here and go back to my Willow trees now?
Namarie, Cathrea
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Post by Elix on Feb 5, 2007 12:30:02 GMT -5
The To;kein elf is the Type A elf most people can identify with AFTER they made their Keebler remark. Yes Tolkein did in fact use elves of legend, and based a lot of what he wrote on elves off of the Finnish legends.
Now whether or not there ARE Tolkein elves, well I don't know, I'm sure there are... he just happen to bring it in to the modern world before anyone else.
Elix
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Post by cathrea on Feb 7, 2007 1:09:57 GMT -5
Oh great I just looked at my posting and I spelled Grandfather's name wrong it is Terciene.
What is the Keebler remark? Gak I sound so naieve... Something about cookies mayhaps?
Namarie, Cathrea
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Post by Elix on Feb 9, 2007 16:14:08 GMT -5
LOL... I have been told I make one hell of a cookie!!! However, I'm far from 3ft tall and live in a tree... although does a 2nd floor apartment count?
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