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Post by Mairi on Mar 7, 2004 15:48:32 GMT -5
I know many believed that Vampires originated in Eygpt but having never read anything that said this I wonder where this idea came from.
Anyone wish to comment on this or come up with text to support this concept?
Mairi
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Post by Vampirella on Mar 8, 2004 1:21:47 GMT -5
pardon the bad pun about to come from my lips but .i can really sink my fangs into this topic its gonna be an interesting one but i think many got that idea from alot of anne rices novels ,akasha and enkil were two characters that were human and were attacked by opposers and an evil bodiless spirit got in through stab wounds those opposers inflicted on them both hence where vampires of the egyptian descent came to be known thanks to anne rice ,now if this is a true piece of info id love to know where it comes from cause i love egyptian culture and history and vampires the same!
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Post by Jasmine Nyte on Mar 8, 2004 20:53:45 GMT -5
I agree with Vampi, the notion of vampires coming from Egypt is mostly based on the Anne Rice mythos. How ever we get one of our most popular vampire symbols from Egypt,the Ankh, meaning (in simple form) life. It would also depend on the dynasty on what the belief was, each ruler prclaimed the prominent god to be worshipped. Actually I believe that we get the idea of vampires in Egypt because of their beliefs on life and death. Actually on some studies I did a few years ago, it was believed the the ancient Egyptians were afraid of such as vampires. Again this would probably depend on the dynasty. I have studied Egyptian Magick an it is a difficult and complicated practice to learn. I love the symbology of Eygpt, it has become intregal part of the vampire and gothic cultures.
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Post by Arrwyn on Mar 9, 2004 0:54:13 GMT -5
The Anne Rice connection must be it. I've done a lot of research into vampirism and Egypt is one of the few places I can NOT find reference to them at all. Also, the White Wolf game of Masquarade gives some indication that vampirism began in the Middle East (if not specifically Egypt) as the "origin" of all vampires is cited there as Cain, the son of Adam. The earliest European concepts for vampires apparently stems from the poor medical practices which often resulted in premature burial. Other sources include the Greek Verdilac which is an angry, sensuous spirit. In Southeast Asia the vampire is actually a sending from a vengeful, but very much alive, witch! Nasty looking thing, too. In Japanese mythology the "vampire" is a floating head and digestive system which can disguise itself as a normal human, albeit one incapable of speech. There is also a "vampiric" or "succubus" effect to the Japanese demon called a Kitsune. Kitsune appear as beautiful human females but their shadow will reveal fox tails (yes, plural) and in her natural form the Kitsune appears as a white fox with from one to seven tails.
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Post by StarrLamia on Mar 17, 2004 17:59:11 GMT -5
I suppose it really depends on what you think it means to be a vampire, and what makes a vampire, whether its genetic, energetic or whatnot, I dont think that "vampires" perse were started in any area or at any time, Its a definciency of energy and not entirelly genetic. There are also many different reasons in my experience how vampires are made into what they are.. Id say if anywhere on this realm, sumeria was probably more of a place of origin (origin as in first one on this planet) simply because its older and I know many who have lived in this time period..
Starr
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Post by seraphine on Mar 18, 2004 0:00:02 GMT -5
I'll have to agree with Starr. It really does depend on the definition of vampire. Vampirism is hinted at in "The Veil of Isis" written in 1861 by W. Winwood Reade. The book speaks of when Isis was appointed the nurse to the Queens child and fed him from her finger and not from her breast, and put him every night into fire to render him immortal. But again this is a bit of stretch to some degree and would depend on your definition of a vampire. But there are stories of "vampires" in every culture of the world almost. They all vary in name and abilites and so forth.
Darkest Regards,
Seraphine
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Post by Mairi on Mar 22, 2004 16:49:11 GMT -5
I recently read that ancient egyptian feared that their soul or spirit might suffer in or not even reach the afterlife if the physical body wa snot shown due reverence. And that a wandering soul finding no rest or sustenance in heaven was likely to return to haunt the living. And that it is believed that true vampirism originated in the Nile Delta.
Egyptians also believed that every man and woman was composed of many different souls or states of consciousness. How many is uncertain but there may have been as many as 9 different aspects of humanity.
The khat was the physical manifestation of life. This was the body that would decay in the time following death unless mummified. ba represented pictorially by a human-headed heron, hawk or falcon was that part of the soul capable of astral travel, taking flight from and travelling independently of the physical body.
To most fasinated with vampirism the ka is the most intriguing aspect of egyptian consciousness. This was believed to be capable of wandering independent of the body. True immortality could be achieved only when the ka and the ba were united in the afterlife. And for this to be possible the ka required not only an uncorrupted body hence the complex embalming rituals. But if the ka was not sufficiently provided for, it was feared that it would leave the tomb as a kama-rupa in search of its own sustenance - feces, urine, brackish water and decaying animal. It is also believed that the ka, clad in its burial clothes or wandering naked could attack the living, draining them of psychic energy or blood.
Mairi
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Post by SanguineReign on Sept 17, 2004 18:13:06 GMT -5
Hello Everyone,
I am not sure if what I dreamed about is just a dream or if I actually was a vampyre when I lived in ancient Egypt but, I have some rather interesting dreams, on occasion.
Mmm... I have an odd question regarding this subject, actually.
Do you think that vampyres were feared, respected, worshiped, etc. in Egypt in the ancient times? How do you think they were viewed?
Sincerely,
Reign
P.S. I was finally able to get this to work. I tried to register before but, I kept getting an error for some reason, whenever I tried to log in. [/i]
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Post by Mairi on Nov 28, 2004 9:31:49 GMT -5
<<< Do you think that vampyres were feared, respected, worshiped, etc. in Egypt in the ancient times? How do you think they were viewed? >>>
Well if they existed as described in mythology I would say they were respected and worshiped. Because everything writen or shown about eygptian life was based on their ability to live on in another life. And that is what myths say about vampires. They died and rose from the dead to live again.
What's everyone else think?
Mairi
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Post by Shadowdancer on Mar 25, 2005 16:18:20 GMT -5
hehe never saw this topic on board lol didnt click page 2..
well you know my theory .. the golden triangle and the Annunaki I will go more into at taruean or if you prefrer here .. just let me know..
~Shadowdancer~
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Post by Mairi on Mar 25, 2005 16:42:14 GMT -5
Why not share it with us here. There are those here that would be interested in hearing your theories.
Mairi
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